ALIEN VS. PREDATOR



ALIEN VS. PREDATOR is a mess - the type of film that could, and probably should signal the end to two franchises. Not that I don't have fond memories of both series. I have remained unusually committed to the films even after most have thrown in the towel. But if this is what 20th Century Fox envisions for the future, we would all be better off going without.

You can't say they didn't warn us. The tag line clearly states, "Whoever wins, we lose." And we do. ALIEN fans lose. PREDATOR fans lose. Horror fans lose. People in search of a coherent storyline lose. The only one who doesn't lose is your ten year old nephew, entranced by the images of two monsters duking it out. The film is right on his level.

Since the film features the aliens who have always been a thorn in the side of future colonists, it's odd to see that ALIEN VS. PREDATOR takes place in the present. Not only have aliens landed, but they've been here for quite some time. But I'm getting ahead of myself.

A survey team from Weyland Industries notes an odd heat signature from what should be a barren region of Antarctica. Immediately, a group of experts is called in to give their input. Now, it's important to find out that Weyland Industries is the corporation that would eventually become Weyland-Yutani, the same bureaucratic jerks who screwed things up for people in all four of the previous ALIEN films. But in an interesting move, Weyland Industries never presents itself as an evil empire. Reckless and foolhardy perhaps, but never evil.

The group's namesake is Charles Bishop Weyland (Lance Henriksen), the same man who would later be the model for the Bishop synthetic and whose children would continue the company for centuries to come. Called "the Father of Modern Robotics," there is no denying that Weyland is an imposing figure. But his character winds up being one of those reclusive billionaires who feel stifled by the boardroom. He could be in a cushy office somewhere. He does not have to be on a slow boat in Antarctica, but he wants to be. He's the type of person that would try to fly around the world in a hot air balloon, simply because the option is there. He is someone who wants a lot out of life, because he may not have much of a life left. Still, he is a man of surprising dignity and his line, "Don't you turn your back on me!" is the only one in the film worthy of applause.

If I sound a bit enraptured musing about Weyland, it is because it is the best thing in the film. Henriksen gives what could be his greatest performance, at least since MILLENIUM went off the air. He brings a certain dignity to the part that the rest of the cast is either unwilling or unable to pull out of the hackneyed script. It actually adds a new dimension to the mysterious "company" we always hear about. Before the ages of corruption, the company once had a center of dangerous but heartfelt compassion. Meaning Mr. Yutani must have been a real asshole when he merged the two conglomerates.

The group that is gathered... well, isn't too important to tell the truth. Everyone but the lead is only given the bare bones of a character to work with. Basically every single person is in the film only to deliver line after line of boring dialogue before getting served up as puppy chow for the monsters. But since the film spends a ridiculous amount of time with these saps, I suppose I should describe a few of them.

The most fleshed-out character is the lead, Alexa Woods (Sanaa Lathan - BLADE, OUT OF TIME) and I have to admit, it's nice to see an African American woman is the strong center of a horror film. She's a mountain climber who also handles safety issues for a lot of rich folks who don't know any better, and that's exactly why she's called in here.

Aside from Woods and Weyland, the rest of the cast is expendable. Their characters can be summed up in a few words each. Sebastian (Raoul Bova - UNDER THE TUSCAN SUN) is an Italian archeologist. Graeme (Ewan Bremmer - Spud from TRAINSPOTTING) takes videos for the kids. As for the rest, honestly it's been only a day since I saw the film and I can't even recall one thing that made any of them stand out.

Regardless, the group is hired to sniff out what could be the archeological find of the century. Weyland's satellites have picked up what appears to be a huge pyramid situated over two hundred feet below the ice. Markings on the structure appear to be Mayan, Aztec and Cambodian, meaning it could provide proof of an advanced civilization from which all others spread out from For those of you who know your weird stuff, they've stumbled onto the mystery of Atlantis, although that term is never brought up in the film.

The group makes plans to dig through to the pyramid. But as luck would have it, the predators enter the earth's atmosphere, and they dig their own hole, accomplishing in a few seconds what it takes most drilling crews a week to do. The predators' technology is a bit more advanced than we were led to believe. So advanced that their enormous spaceship is able to pass over a group of drillers without being heard or seen. Come to think of it, they didn't hear or see the giant blue light the exploded the ice and drilled a two hundred foot hole, despite being no more than a couple miles away. Yeah, I was pretty stunned myself.

The humans enter the pyramid first, ignoring every single mummy movie ever made. What they discover is a bunch of strange hieroglyphics that tell of the Atlantians who worshiped the predators as gods - wait, stay with me here. And they used the pyramid as a breeding ground for the aliens who they like to kill off every hundred years or so. As for the whole story, you'll have to watch the film. Needless to say, the explanation was about 20% interesting and 80% silly.

Naturally, the group zigs when it should have zagged and they wake up a bunch of angry aliens, including a queen who has remained alive for centuries tethered with a bunch of old rusty chains. Oh trust me, it gets dumber. The pyramid starts to shift, sealing everyone inside. In what has got to be the most hilarious sight in the whole film, a group of three predators are making their grand entrance when they hear the walls move and start running frantically so they don't get locked out of their own hunt. Too bad the predators do not use their ability to mimic human speech patterns here, because you can only imagine the barrage of obscenities that would be spewing from their jowls.

Sebastian guesses with very little evidence that the pyramid will continue to shift every ten minutes. This causes people who be caught in a landscape that is forever moving around them and they have to jump from one platform to the next as the heroes of dozens of video games have done before. It's an odd blending of INDIANA JONES-type adventure that does not quite pay off.

ALIEN VS. PREDATOR plays fast and loose with its own timeline actually. You may remember in ALIEN that the incubation period from when the facehugger attaches itself to its host, lays the eggs inside the body and said eggs explode takes a minimum of several hours. Not here. The first person to have this happen is attacked, sedated, incubated, wakes up and gives birth to the chestburster in between the first and second shiftings of the pyramid - in other words, less than ten minutes. Maybe they were in a hurry.

As if it were not enough that the script by Paul W.S. Anderson is Swiss cheese, the film has other things going against it. First thing is that is an ugly film. The original ALIEN was one of the first to de-romanticize people's lofty visions of clean-cut heroes in sparkling white spaceships. Likewise, PREDATOR 2 (criminally underrated, in my opinion) showed the violence of Los Angeles taken to a grimy and satirical extreme. The people behind ALIEN VS. PREDATOR couldn't even be bothered to light the set properly for a good amount of time. The setting of an advanced pyramid may be of interest but only if we can see the damn thing. Instead, most of what we get are flashlights zigzagging around like it was the glow in the dark condom scene from SKIN DEEP.

I had commented to Horror Express' own Poshyface about ALIEN VS. PREDATOR before it came out. He said that at the very least the film would look good, because Anderson's films at least had a slick design. I said I hoped so because the trailers made it look like it was filmed on an abandoned set. Unfortunately, I was not placated, most of the film does look like an abandoned set. Toss in a few flashlights and high-tech gear, superimpose some snow, either from a machine or a computer, and you're good to go. Works in theory anyway.

It's also been dumbed down considerably. Not that you would expect a lot from any film with "Vs." in the title, but the fans deserve more than this. PREDATOR was originally designed as a formula film, often described when it came out as "ALIENS Meets RAMBO." Still, it managed to have some degree of depth and characterization that kept things interesting. Likewise, the ALIEN films took the "trapped with the monsters" premise and did intriguing things with it, even if the results were not always successful. This film fills the blanks by inserting scene after scene of meaningless dialogue spoken by underdeveloped characters. This is the first time we've seen the predators on the big screen since the 1990 sequel under-performed at the box office. I had been hoping that the big guys would be brought back in style. Remember the part in PREDATOR 2 when the predator tossed Danny Glover the gun from the 1800s. Maybe a prequel set in a more primitive setting like that would work. Well, things are primitive here, although they shouldn't be and it doesn't work. Really, there are only a few instances of the advanced culture of the predators on display, usually when they get really involved in the hunt and go into survival mode. They are nice bits, but all too fleeting. The aliens in contrast have never been more boring. Whether represented by animatronic effects or CGI work, they don't do anything remotely exciting for the whole film. They appear to be past their prime. Taking away some of the subtle nuances of each creature seems to have been done deliberately. The relatively simple figures of the aliens and predators have been reduced to their barest essentials so that all that remains is for them to rumble.

The battle should be more entertaining, but since so little has been invested in the story and the art direction and cinematography are dull, even this is no where near as exciting as it could have been. The pummel and slice each other and even the guys in the suits seem to be going through the motions. In place of what could have been a complex or entertaining extension of the ALIEN and PREDATOR franchises we have what essentially boils down to a live-action version of the old ALTERED BEAST video game. And frankly, I've wasted enough quarters on that one already. I suppose I should be thankful that there is no nu-metal soundtrack as one might expect. But should we really give a film credit for not screwing up even worse?

Although it is not a very popular opinion to have in the horror community, I am a fan of David Fincher's ALIEN 3. While not as good as the first two, I thought it reduced things to a primitive level and took the series down a fascinating darker path. Perhaps the best thing about ALIEN VS. PREDATOR next to Henriksen's performance is that now, no one could possibly say that ALIEN 3 is the worst of the series. Hell, they couldn't even say it about ALIEN: RESURRECTION. This is easily the worst treatment the aliens or predators have ever received. It's a bad film for the casual fan, but if you're someone who has been collecting the comics, novels, games, etc. and has been waiting for the big screen treatment, you have every right to be furious.

The balls have been squeezed out of both series. I'm not just talking about the PG-13 rating either. It's true that the film stretches the violence to the rating's limits. There is a pretty high body count here, simply because there is nothing else going on. Of course, the gore has been toned down considerably. But also the execution is completely different. The whole thing seems aimed for an entirely different age group. There's a reason why I mentioned video games numerous times in this review. The style seems more suited to that forum than for the cinema. It's made for young teenage boys to stare wide-eyed as the monsters beat each other senseless, with no pesky traces of plot, substance or reason to get in the way. It should be a clue when one character coins the phrase from the PREDATOR films "You are one ugly mother-" and is not allowed to finish the sentence. Exploding chests are fine, but the word "fuck" is a no-no. Fans of the original films need not apply here.

ALIEN VS. PREDATOR is an attempt to market the old characters to a new generation of moviegoers. Tossing away anything that made earlier entries great, they have been shoved out like a piece of junk food. Sure enough, the film feels marketed, processed and doesn't contain any ingredients you'd be proud of. Like a piece of junk food, I left the theatre feeling miserable and really I just wished I could have thrown up. It's dumb, lifeless, ugly and boring and yet features just enough brainless pummeling to keep those weaned on DRAGONBALL Z interested. This one is strictly for the kids.


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WHAT YOU SAID [VIEW]

Zombie Eater said
This movie is just awful. By the gods i hated it from the very first 5 mins to the ridiculous ending. It lacks in three very important points:
1- It has no ARGUMENT
2- It has no LOGIC
3- It has no BLOOD
Man!! and i can't believe how P.A managed to make Alien into a fucking vermin, they're like rats!! Heck!! at some point i even expected the predator pulling out a Bug Off and killing a few!!
And the ending!! GOD DAMMIT!! it's just idiotic, it's like they tried to do a movie for 10 years old. Ahhh i fear for the two franchises, i see a bitter future where they'll be condemn to an existence in direct-to-video crap...it just breaks my little black heart. :(
Unconscious said
I wasn't too fond of that movie, myself.

Not enough violence or horror though... It was mostly just talking.
GarryCharles said
I'm just pleased to see that I'm not the only person that liked Alien3. Like it even better in the "Near to as a directors cut that we could achieve without his input" that came in the Quadrilogy set. :devil:
feral cat said
Kind of a 5/10 popcorn movie watchable, but disposable nonsense, I tend to agree with the end of your review this ones really for young kids. Can’t see the point of getting two super violent franchise characters and making it a movie almost devoid of blood and violence … what’s the point. The people who have waited 10 years to see this movie made are in there 20’s,30’s heck even 40’s and up so why give them this?

Predator 2 I agree criminally underrated, I even prefer it to the great original

Alien 3, sorry I hate it, stripped down like that made it just any old monster movie, and a poor one at that.
Unconscious said
I enjoyed all the Alien and Predator movies... Not including Alien Versus Predator.
fi wilson said
Was really hoping to catch this on the big screen but it never happened unfortunately. Am finally going to watch it next Saturday night though hearing what everybody reckons I don't have very high hopes. I'll come back and let you know what I reckon.
Juan Rayo said
My take on how ridiculous this movie is:

Predator: Bishop, I am your FATHER!!! (audience gasps)
Bishop: huh?
ALien: hhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiizzzzzzzzz
Predator: and Sigourney is your daugther! (audience gasps)
Bishop: err....
ALien: hhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiizzzzzzzzz?
Predator: also, Dallas the captain and the first android, they are kinda, well, married
Bishop: ok, you are SERIOUSLY freaking me out here
Alien: (jumps up and down, escales walls, drops from ceiling, tries to get attention) HHHIZZZ!!!! HHHIZZ!!!!!
Predator: and those blueprints you used to draw in college? those will turn into the NOSTROMO!!
Bishop: Alien, PLEASE take my head off!!
Alien: forget it you guys, I am leaving for another, MUCH better movie. Namely Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, Predator 1 and 2. Oh, and "Pitch black" too. (goes away).
Predator: ok, then I will go to a MUCH, MUCH better ALien Vrs predator movie: "Batman: Dead End" (goes away)
BIshop: I'M staying!! not like I have much choices...
Audience: (gasps)
Director: but, wait guys!!! see! the audience is gasping!! they are terrified!!!
Audience: NO WE ARE NOT!!! we gasp because this movie is SO BAD it actually makes it hard to BREATH and we are NOT getting enough oxygen into our brains. We are leaving for a MUCH better monster movie, namely Jhon Carpenter's "THe THING" (audiece leaves)
Director: oh, well, I'll get them with the sequel...
Face hugger: NO you will not!!(JUMPS at him)
End Credits
Raven said
I am yet to hear a good solid arguement as why people dont like this film. Ive heard people saying the xenomorph and predators were wrong, How?

This film was made for the purpose of entertainment and it delivers, 8/10 great film
Juan Rayo said
QUOTE Originally posted by raven@Jun 22 2005, 08:31 PM
I am yet to hear a good solid arguement as why people dont like this film. Ive heard people saying the xenomorph and predators were wrong, How?

This film was made for the purpose of entertainment and it delivers, 8/10 great film
Quoted post



Fair enough. I take it you haven't read Mr. Davis's review, then? he makes a solid case. I realize the film is made for entertainment purposes, and I will grant that I maybe nitpicking, but here goes my opinion (I will be quoting Mr. Davis's review a lot and adding some of my points):

MOST films are made for the purpose of entertaiment. Given that, one must admit that some of them succeed admirably while others fail miserably. The "Alien" and "Predator" franchises never pretended to be "art" films, they just wanted to provide the audience with some scares, impresive visuals, interesting ideas and all around enterainment in a couple of hours.

They are both (franchises) dark and gory. The have smart dialogue, solid enough acting, interesting characters and they gave us something NEW every time. They set the mood, they made tension grow till the very end. In the end, they succeed in their goal. AvP fails because it refuses or can't make use of those strenghts. From Mr. Davis's review:

“Everyone but the lead is only given the bare bones of a character to work with.”

This has been true more to the Predator movies than to the "Alien" one's, where they were able to focus on Ripley since the first one. Still, after one sitting, I could remember the names of each and every marine in the squad in "Aliens" for example. (Or the ill-fated crew of the "Nostromo") I could not remember but one of the names in AvP : Weyland. I just didn't know this people, and hence didn't and coudn't care for them.

Then, the plot is full of holes, some of them killed the movie for me. I think I probably AM nitpickin here, given that one KNOWS the movie is fantasy, but I could't forgive them anymore that I could forgive those in, say, "Armaggedon". For example, Arqueologyst find this imposing, imposible pyramid, one that actually proves a connection between a number of ancient civilizations… what do they do? They don't even take the time to stop and study this! It look to me like "Hey, this is every arqueologyst wet dream!. Right, go on then...".

From HE review:

“Come to think of it, they didn't hear or see the giant blue light the exploded the ice and drilled a two hundred foot hole, despite being no more than a couple miles away”
...
Or
“Sebastian guesses with very little evidence that the pyramid will continue to shift every ten minutes”

This things, to me at least, made the movie very, very silly. Hard to be excited (or scared, or entertained) with silly.

Then, AvP has a very hard time keeping on with previous installments lore:

(about the Alien incubation time)
“Not here. The first person to have this happen is attacked, sedated, incubated, wakes up and gives birth to the chestburster in between the first and second shiftings of the pyramid - in other words, less than ten minutes”

But my biggest gripe would be this one, again from HE Review of the movie:

“It's also been dumbed down considerably”

“this film fills the blanks by inserting scene after scene of meaningless dialogue spoken by underdeveloped characters”

“It's made for young teenage boys to stare wide-eyed as the monsters beat each other senseless, with no pesky traces of plot, substance or reason to get in the way”

I was afraid when I watched the first Alien movie, excited during the marines get away in the second, thoughfull and tense during the third movie, mildly amused by the forth. I was in awe during the first Predator movie, and the second one gave history, personality and sense to the seemly savage hunter. (actually, its the SECOND predator movie that really defines the species, so to speak, with little details such as the "present" they give to Danny Glover at the end).

I felt none of this during AvP.

I felt it was predictable, had so-so action, very poor tension, not one scare. It felt like a run of the mill (is that the right phrase? I am not sure) moster-action movie, more than it felt the heir of two great franchises.

Anyway, that's my two cents, trying to make an argument for why I think the movie is really bad.

PS: I totally agree with Mr. Davies: Predator 2 is a criminally underrated movie. It deserved better.
JohnShaft said
QUOTE Originally posted by Juan Rayo@Jun 23 2005, 12:04 AM
PS: I totally agree with Mr. Davies: Predator 2 is a criminally underrated movie. It deserved better.
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I've never understood why PREDATOR 2 is generally considered a very poor sequel to the excellent PREDATOR either. I think there's a lot to like about it. Glover is solid in the lead role, and moving the action to the urban jungle (instead of making a by the numbers sequel in the same setting) really was an excellent move.
I also love the ending where Glover finds himself in the Predator's ship surrounded by them is superb. In fact his whole duel with the young Predator is just excellent.

Considering the old "Sequels always suck, or are at least vastly inferior facsimilies of the original" angle I think they did an admirable job. To me I've often thought the negative opinion of it is down to prejudging it because it's a sequel and therefore must not be good. To view it with eyes open leaves one with a different opinion of it. And I've really enjoyed it from the first viewing, to the last.


Scott W. Davis said
Clearly, Juan Rayo is a man of impeccable taste and possesses a wonderful appreciation of genius.

HA! Sorry, wanted to see what it felt like to be Uwe for a few seconds.

Thanks for the comments Juan and yes, it's unfortunate that we would agree not on how much this film exceeds its already impressive potential but how it fails so miserably.
Carmilla said
This one is strictly for the kids.

I absolutely agree. I took my godson to see it -actually he invited me and I couldn't get out of it-. It was action packed, with very little plot and full of mistakes.

But he enjoyed because of all the action. It didn't scare anyone though. Not a soul in the whole theatre.
versus said
I saw like 10 minutes it sucked ass!
Dr West said
I bought this on DVD in a 3 for ÂŁ20, at the moment I'm going through a stage where I'm refusing to swap/sell my DVD's. If they're shit then I'll make an exception.
Raven said
Predator 2 kicks arse!! The only thing that really bothers me about AVP is the location. In Predator 1 and 2 its made clear that the predator only hunts during the hottest season (summer) so why take the predators to antartica the coldest place on earth? But otherwise i found this film very entertaining, ok its not a scary film but neither are the predator films and only one alien film is scary.
fineous fin said
should swap for Alien vs Predator requium, a much better film with a huge belly full of content. a little bit of symbolism that could unscrew your rhealms noggen, if outside the perimeter.
whataboutbilly said
I have no intention of ever seeing this garbage in my life!!!

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DIRECTOR

Paul W. S. Anderson

CAST

Sanaa Lathan
Raoul Bova
Lance Henriksen
Ewen Bremmer
Colin Salmon
Tommy Flanagan
Joseph Rye
Agathe De La Boulaye
Carsten Norgaard
Sam Troughton

RELEASE DATE

2004

REVIEWER

Scott W. Davis

REVIEW DATE

19th August 2004 - 9:21AM

Links

Official Site
ALIEN VS. PREDATOR Fansite

Trailers

Official U.S. Trailer
International Trailer (Quicktime)

Taglines

  • Whoever wins... We lose.
  • It's our planet... It's their war.

Trivia

  • Paul W.S. Anderson stepped down from directing both MORTAL KOMBAT: DOMINATION and RESIDENT EVIL: APOCALYPSE to write and direct this film, though he does remain as producer to the other movies.
  • Was rumored to be in development ever since a skull from the title characters in the Alien film series appeared in the spaceship trophy room in PREDATOR 2.
  • The character played by Lance Henriksen, Charles Bishop Weyland, is a co-founder of the Weyland-Yutani Corporation. This is "the Company" referred to in the earlier ALIEN movies. The Bishop android from ALIENS, and Bishop II from ALIEN 3 were also played by Henriksen.
  • When Charles Bishop Weyland is sitting in his office on the ship, we can very briefly see him playing with his pen in a similar manner to the way the android Bishop (also played by Lance Henriksen) is playing with a knife in ALIENS.
  • The ALIEN VS. PREDATOR story crossed over virtually all forms of media before becoming a feature film. There was a successful comic book series, toy line, multiple video games, sound track (of the PC game) and even a card series.
  • The role of Max Stafford was written specifically for Colin Salmon.
  • Screenwriter Peter Briggs wrote his original spec script for ALIEN VS. PREDATOR in 1991. The script sold overnight and made him the subject of numerous magazine and book "success story" articles. His version went adrift following studio politics in the wake of executive Joe Roth's departure from 20th Century Fox.
  • Screenwriter Shane Salerno was the last writer and "closer" on ALIEN VS. PREDATOR He worked on the film for 15 months, including prior to production, through filming in Prague and all the way through post production without receiving the co-screenplay by credit that 20th Century Fox recommended him for to the WGA. Shane has a co-screenplay credit on the novelization of the film, dozens of magazine articles, and many of the original theatre posters.
  • At one stage Peter Weller was attached to do a cameo as John Yutani, the other half of the infamous "Weyland-Yutani" Company from the ALIEN films.
  • This is the first ALIEN film, and also the first PREDATOR film, to get a rating other than R.
  • The character of Verheiden was named after comic book writer Mark Verheiden, creator of the first ALIEN VS. PREDATOR comic series and first story ever involving both species (which predates the brief "cameo" of the Alien skull in PREDATOR 2.
  • The drawings that Paul W.S. Anderson used for his original presentation to 20th Century Fox were done by Patrick Tatopoulos.
  • First PREDATOR movie to feature a left-handed predator.
  • The black & white movie playing in the beginning of the film is another popular monster face-off, FRANKENSTEIN MEETS THE WOLF MAN.
  • The first film in the "Alien" franchise to not feature Sigourney Weaver, who has said in interview the idea of the crossover "sounded awful".
  • At the beginning of the film in the satellite control station, the technician has a 'drinky drinky' bird among the Tweety Pie dolls. These are the same birds that were seen on the dining room table in ALIEN.
  • The read out of the predator ship at the beginning of the film, is shown reflected in the visor of the predator mask, as the readouts of the Nostromo in ALIEN were reflected on the space helmets.
  • The shot of the team approaching the top of the pyramid, with their flashlights, taken from inside it references the shot of the of the Nostromo's expedition team walking up to the entrance of the derelict.
  • The design in the centre of the floor in the sacrificial chamber is almost identical to the artwork of the ALIEN 3 poster.
  • A PG-13 rating was reportedly mandated by the studio just a few weeks prior to release, forcing some extra cuts. A director's cut is promised for DVD.

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